Every church leader should be good and honest. Ken F (aka Tweed): The history of church offices is a bit more complicated. Im convinced that an antinomian spirit has taken control of some ministries, where church leaders feel they have been released by grace from the obligation of observing the moral law. Its ok to admit more of you need to to completely clear the air. Milky Way timelapse photobombed by the Aurora Borealis over Loch More in Scotland. If a familys personal pain about a very private matter doesnt fit that category, I dont know what would. I pray that God will continue to use you to shine a spotlight on wicked works of darkness in Christendom today. . I dont think so. I am now beginning to wonder if it is not simply the beginning of wisdom. Your support is what helps bring hope, and is a large part of the reason I chose to comment here at TWW. And I doubt it was simply losing their job, as many of them voluntarily left. The churches have become the world. Churchgoers in 21st century America are just too gullible to keep these folks out of the pulpit. Harvest Christian Academy currently has more than 500 students, more than 60 staff members, and continues to move forward with a high leadership focus. Human nature, I guess. Law Prof: He was evidently so invested in making the Dramatic Point and leaving a Big Impression that I dont think he considered anyone else at that moment. For those who regularly read this blog, question with critical thinking, demand proof for claims made, and hold those posting and commenting to the same standards being written about. I am not suggesting that this is or is not the way Jesus intended for his church. Besides, nobody goes there anymore its too crowded. Yogi Berra. I send my kids to a school literally run by bullies. If anything, out of all the ashes has come a humbling of my spirit. He says he knows, "from the inside, some of these things that have come out in the public about pastors". Ive had 58 years to observe her fruit, and, while not perfect, she has proven generally consistent and trustworthy. My understanding is that Driscoll also consulted with Gateway. (Dee). gentle Also, your letter simply further bolsters credibility of the excellent work from the Elephants Debt and Julie Roys. ME GREAT WHITE HUNTER! *the church is in a happier healthier place as a result of the accountable actions of James up urs Sherwood like to MacDonald. We see it mentioned on a few occasions in Scripture where elders were appointed in every city. Yet the first line in that post was that Dee would not allow comments. Im not going to say that to you. No more indulgences. They truly have no idea. Personally, I call bull. In spite of repeated correction they did not let go of this hope while Jesus remained. Your actions are tell tale in what you believe regard God and Jesus his son. These churches treat women so badly, but promise men all sorts of things (that will probably never happen) to keep the men coming. Women's Bible Study. As for your dig at anonymous people, you are hoping to do the same thing. If you go here you can see them listed in the browser search https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+chosen+producers+james+macdonald&t=ffsb&ia=web but when you click on the link you can see that Jenkins had the producers list altered to remove those names and place all new producers (the money) except for himself on the website. This in spite of the fact that our family was the friendly face that attracted many, the ones who were always approachable, in a way that the cool, distant pastor could not be. They deliberately employ a faulty theology to ensnare and use others for their own ends. Its also possible it wasnt a continuous period of teaching, that there were times when they all had to go to work because they had families to support. Its actually pretty simple to pick out the false ones. Jenkins says the ultimate source of truth is the Bible, and while viewers of The Chosen will glean truths about Jesus from the show, he says their pastors should be the primary figures in helping Christians understand the Bible. a human-designated term. Too many are like big box stores that shutter all of (the little churches on) Main Street, and then close their own doors forever. Let him call for the elders [PRESBUTEROS] of the church, and let them pray over him (James 5:14). As if someone who chooses to remain anonymous has no right to speak. When she cleared the backlog, the partial Lauren went through along with my original longer one. Sadly, many have not served well. Shame on you. However, a Calvinist fanboy and wannabe celebrity showed up spouting Piper, Driscoll and insisted on hiring a guy from Sovereign Graces mothership-CLC. For me I choose to pray and let God work, he never ceases to amaze especially when he answers prayer. I know exactly what you mean. Quit trying to privatize and hide in secret that which should be public. Max: TS00: Or would they even care? Cudos for your honesty. I too often look around at this world, and feel discouraged and useless to make any difference. My Savior stands between I thought my disgust for James MacDonald was as low as it could go, but when I saw that photo, it took another nosedive. In the meantime, I dont rejoice over unworthy vessels carrying the precious Gospel of Christ. Its repulsive that he has to be in fear of his kids kicked out of HCA. The pastor was grooming me to be an elder, made hints that I could take over for him someday. HCA's highest purpose is to develop students who are grounded in God's Word. So this notion of a pastor as single leader being completely made up well after the Bible was written, simply not biblical at all, purely cultural tradition, I think youd be safe to say that said book most certainly does not indicate that one assuming an unbiblical, made-up official office does not need to be heeded, but rather corrected, censured or even disciplined and thrown out of the church for their audacity and biblical ignorance. The Niles Campus became our third location in 2004. Remember, God is the master designer!!. But who is to say whether that subset is right? I think its one of the reasons that the mega movement has been so attractive to laity as well as leaders; they imagine that a bigger, more resource-rich group will be able to rescue more people from the terrible fate they would otherwise experience. That might be the case if your view of Christianity is limited to the local mega-show, but there are places in the world, and even in the US for that matter, where Christianity is much more Biblical and robust, and is not even close to fading away. Fayetteville, AR 72703. Fans of hit TV series The Chosen know creator Dallas Jenkins' "five loaves and two fish story". This is no different then the very worst of false teachers in 2019. He and James wanted newer, better buildings now, not when the flock could afford them. +++++++++++++++++++. But isnt the model you commented on the same model that HBC followed and totally bollixed up? He is currently Director of Media at Harvest Bible Chapel in Chicago, where he directed the award-winning short film "The Ride" and is currently developing multiple feature films. You cant express truth sufficiently in religious teachings and traditions; it can only be found in a relationship with Christ. Dallas Jenkins and Dean Butters letters are only two of six submitted to the Elders. Locations in Dallas, Houston, Washington, DC, or 100% Online! And who appoints the elders (Disciples are no longer with us) if every church is autonomous? Chicago is witnessing the implosions of two famous mega churches due to the allegations against their leadership pastors. The images of Christs mother Mary witnessing her sons torture, the glances and faces of the cast Mel Gibson portrayed were (and frankly still are) made to elicit deep evil and were very frightening to see, and the utter agony of Christs pain was so graphic, I still cant erase it from my memory. Im also going to be annoyed if James McDonald pulls a Mark Driscoll and starts up a new church. Thats it right there. That someone who was on the point of dying took time to write these dreams down is remarkable in and of itself. This is something that all Christians in a church community should take to heart. Everything after those three paragraphs is my comment. Oh Dallas, for heavens sake, cut it out. Much as I seek to be gracious and forgiving, it is extremely difficult to accept these new confessions at face value. Then, he apologized and said the would teach the high school Bible class. be in sin, I firmly believe we are experiencing another reformation. Shouldnt we trust our churchs leadership?, But as of this moment, the vast majority of James s closest friends and ministry leaders over the decades have said nothing publicly about these crises.. He is not egotistical, and not, as is so falsely asserted, all about getting glory he is all about stepping through the barriers of time and space to reveal his gentle, sacrificial love for us. Acts 20:17, Paul called the elders. 1 Peter 5:1, Peter exhorted the elders. It is never one individual who rules over the church, but a group of people, the elders. Abigail: Why would anyone want to kill a magnificent creature like that? Scott G Winterton, Deseret News. Every single person there loves Harvest so much that they cant leave?? Sure its likely that not everyone knew everything, but no one is telling all they know, and you can only suppose it has much to do with the filthy lucre they received from the till. Throughout the many posts, including this one, there has been some balance and at least an appearance to be open for discussion, albeit without original proof. This is not a widely understood concept, nor do many consider it at all. The only reason there is a belief Jesus ministry was three years is because Johns gospel notes three Passovers. They engineered the black funds and the worst of the financial abuse. At the very least, they need to reveal ALL they know, including leading the charge to open all of the financial books, including known and secret accounts. God says he is the author and finisher of our faith which is a comforting truth. Why in the world hed take this approach and evidently consider it courageous or fitting is completely beyond me. Take away the money and you will find far fewer wolves circling the pot. The apostles counted that an honor. I do know from reading the Acts of Perpetua and Felicity (said to have been written in 203) that church leaders argued with each other. The church needs the wisdom of age coupled with the energy of youth young folks to speed things up a bit, old folks to slow it down when necessary. Consider the listing of qualifications which Paul wrote to Titus and Titus: A BISHOP MUST BE Robert Morris sits on the Board of Driscolls new church or at least he did Driscoll no longer lists Board members on his new website. If the elders measured them selves against the qualities needed for the job and found themselves lacking, they should have withdrawn or the church members should have made the decision for them. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 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