And honestly, the elephant in the room is: I remember reading this recently (already had it marked) because I am studying Isaiah right now, and he has it completed backwards and is taking it out of context. Now, the church excommunicates someone who teaches that these stories are to be applied to us, each of us, equals, loved equally?. $875,000 7701 Atlantic Ave #1d, Riesenfeld Ernest Asen Dennis P; 12/24/20. Having studied somewhat of the background of all this, the Remnant version 1 and 2 and so on; the idea of actually expecting to see Jesus in person and NOT having to stand in a very long line seems rather hubristic. Watch any religion that does not offer this connection fade into oblivion before your very eyes. If we are not entertaining Angels as Stroud and Denver Snuffer claim to and many ,many of my friends claim to, then as Moroni said it is because of our unbelief. The fate of the last 2 "break-away" feathersand who they serve UNDER. All you have to do just read what was actually said and the authors deception is right there. I think Brother Stroud left orbit some time ago. Astral travel during sleep was taught by Brigham Young in the following quote. Conjectures and historical comments on others, however, simply left the question hanging. So I had a lady call me up a while back and she is up in Utah and she said brother Stroud can I share with you this experience, and I said please do it.She says I saw man and I dont know if I was in a dream or vision, I dont know what it was, but I saw man and he was standing in the distance and he was looking at me. I am not a fan of personal revelations, testimony meetings, patriarchal blessings, the temple in general, bishopric and stake presidency interviews, the ensign, 90% of conference talks, and anything else that is cult-like or weird. So if anyone believes that God called Mike Stroud by personal revelation and he was ordained by angels from the city of Enoch then I have a condo on the Moon to sale you. Also I have pondered a lot on the fact that Lehi was not a prophet in his day but a regular man that spent some time pondering the teachings of prophets and had a vision and shared that vision. Im not sure how anything King Follett fits in one way or the other. Thank you, Kimberly. Taking heed of deception is not being afraid of deception. I wrote to Brother Stroud and suggested that perhaps the biggest trial of faith of all is to be excommunicated from the Lords true Church on earth for being obedient to the Lord, Himself! Oct. 18, 2018 - Michael Rush's presentation at Mountain America Expo Center in Sandy, UT re: the return of the lost 10 tribes of Israel. Robert Alan Goldberg, L. Jackson Newell, Linda King Newell. Retrieved 7 June 2015. So instead of making real spiritual progress, they substitute it by comparing themselves to others or worse, by putting others down. Michael B. Jordan Rented Out an Entire Aquarium for Valentine's Day Date with Lori Harvey! Stroud most definitely does not set himself up as a leader or prophet of any kind. [56:02] There is in our day, and in the day to come, the formation of a rescue brigade. Thank you, Rush, for all you have done for this nation. Many prophets exist; men and women alike, but only one is THE prophet. In other words, those portions of Gods words or intentions that are public are published in scripture about which new scripture comes into existence the moment a prophet creates it. Its mostly just a lot of fluff with not much meat to satisfy the arguments. Salt Lake City [Utah]: University of Utah Press, 2008. If suggesting asking for Nephi et al to come visit, so-to-speak, is a bit peculiar, (and I grant that it is) Ive come to think, well, who am I to say Nephi is too busy? But because of our fallen state, it can create the illusion that it does. It was a problematic combination. Further, I have never heard him claim anything destructive to the soul, the church, or its leaders. My response: I would not normally say this but least someone think of me as an apostate I have served as a member of multiple bishopricsfor 12 years ,8 as bishop. But the shift isnt just talking about revelation to church leaders. Disqus Notifications Not Working, Your email address will not be published. But I didnt feel a particularly good spirit while reading their doc. I have appreciated the respect given even when people here disagreed with each other. Several people put together an open letter (a Google doc) citing new questionable teachings from his conference address onward. This website is designed to be a secure portal for interested parties to learn more about Michael's research, as well as providing more advantageous purchasing options for his books and audio books. Don't miss this webinar with best selling author Michael Rush as he shares some of the careful and insightful ways he researches the scriptures in order to write powerful and thought-provoking books. Michael B Rush wrote this book as a study into The Lost 10 Tribes of Israel. The Gospel topics essays are a mixed bag. Being able to discern good-weird from bad-weird isnt particularly easy or obvious. I also enjoy hearing of other members spiritual experiences and sharing what has helped them grow and learn. His apology sounds like something he did in response to counsel from leaders to avoid discipline in the first place. It only takes a little time to see the fruits of their labors, to recognize they are indeed proud, vain and foolish. Unrighteous dominion is the result of fear. by ransomme August 20th, 2021, 3:57 am, Post Mormon Stories. The church does not regulate claims per se (IMO) but rather who is authorized to speak for God. Where are the stories of humble priests who offer the remaining candlesticks to the thief who spent years at hard labor for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starving children? Rush was the first LDS scholar to accurately decipher the prophetic writings of Ezra now known as Ezra's Eagle. But in the end, there is not a whole lot of substance. In one, the words were, this is love. In the other, I care. He only got through 1 Nephi before his church discipline, but the vast majority of what he said is what youd expect from a longtime seminary teacher: pointing out Hebraisms, thinking more deeply about each verse and the motives of each character, emphasizing tribal lineages in the gathering of Israel, etc. He is also an adviser with the National Diversity Coalition for Trump. Dont be afraid. In my prayers I give thanks for what I have and very seldom ask for anything. All people are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Michael B Rush may have been arrested in or around of Florida, on or around Oct 30, 2010. He completely ignored the context of Isaiah calling out church pride in the latter days and government corruption. To me, that is the difference. Whitepages helps 19 people every second do reverse phone lookups , find people and get background checks , including public records , in order to make smarter, safer decisions. I think it is called The Church of the Firstborn. They were both teaching of how to be wise about it. Michael B. Jordan stars in the movie based on Clancy's novel. 3. For them, all it takes is about 2 minutes of eastern style meditation and youre floating away. Michael B. "When You Wish Upon A Star: The Musical Legacy of Utah Composer Leigh Harline. by Trucker August 20th, 2021, 5:03 am, Post Very good comments. including by not limited to: legal, investing, financial, medical, accounting, or any other professional advice. Separation is another illusion brought about by the fall. It was a well attended meeting and there was a good spirit there. I explore the assumption that these are things we are to strive for. This journey led to a very odd place.the old apocrypha. michael.b.rush. Where there is fear there is uncertainty/darkness. Harold b Lee was in attendance once and powerful spiritual manifestations were received. Michael served a mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Chile, Osorno - where he loved both the people and the breathtaking landscapes. I would argue that this is extremely significant. If it were, it would be HIS love, not mine. Clay Critter Dc, Learn how your comment data is processed. (But the few Spanish and Portuguese podcasts are still up, so who knows.). Astral travel during sleep is a bit different than doing in consciously obviously because we dont know were doing it. So if Stroud was declared apostate for teaching questionable doctrine, those are the obvious trouble spots.[1]. He was never under any threat of disciplinary action as far as I can tell, but priesthood leaders found several of his teachings inappropriate. To his credit, Stroud clearly identified those teachings in his final podcast, published November 5th. Mike was not contradicting the Savior at all here. As one who shall obtain. Michael B. Bellamy, BUT with that a commandment to not impart to others. If the answer is to try to retain Millennials and Gen Z, then I say no way. What is told to your mind might be from God, might not be. Why is she not seeking the confirmation of the Holy Ghost? when we lie down to sleep, our minds are often as bright and active as the mind of an angel, at least they are as active as when our bodies are awake. But we laugh at those ideas today. These Indians ate insects, had degraded down to such a state that truly, with the loss of the Spirit of the Lord, they had become a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations. John 4:18 teaches that perfect love casteth out fear. In my experience it seems the overarching need/message is one of moral superiority and a need to achieve or get a manifestation of some sort that ultimately seems to serve to prove ones elect-ness as if that were the purpose of life. Michael Rush currently lives in Franklin, TN; in the past Michael has also lived in Draper UT. If they did, then I hope they will have another look at it with closer discernment, to see what is really going on here. BofM is true and thats good enough for to move forward. by Trucker August 20th, 2021, 11:33 am, Post [2:16] The doctrines of the Second Comforter, calling and election made sure, translation, and the calling of the 144,000 are among those specific sacred concepts that should have been spoken with more care and by constraint of the Spirit. If the answer is because moderating a position on something is more compatible with what the Savior taught, then absolutely I agree. Judgment. The question is whether or not were at a spiritual level to be teaching that we can. So what are you going to do about it? Where they went? "661: Abby Huntsman and Carrie Sheffield and their Transitions Out of Mormonism". Steve you are WRONG. But I do understand his zeal to hasten the establishment of Zion. Benson ruined their marriage, or Boyd K. Packer, or other leaders who taught something(s) one spouse embraced so extremelyBUT WAS NOT MEANT IN THE EXTREMEthat marriages fell apart. Third, Stroud continued to espouse ideas that appear to be influenced by the end-times book Visions of Glory. This whole exchange and the podcast, disciplinary activities, uproar, etc paints a vivid picture of a great and spacious building filled with laughing, sneering, finger pointing believers. I have served on the HC in multiple stakes HC , Temple worker in multiple temples HP group leader and my real claim to fame SM twice totaling 6 years, released when I turn 70 and presently teach an Institute class. My reply started with a reminder that Abraham met God on a mountain, so did Moses, so did Jesus (mount of Transfiguration). wrote about Mike Stroud in September 2017, Accessing the Fullness of the Atonement of Jesus Christ through Personal Revelation.. And hes a tremendous teacher. The scriptures reinforce again and again that, in the government of God, there is an hierarchy of noble and great ones who lead with God-given authority. I further testify that we truly glorify Him with love, patience, understanding, tolerance, compassion forsaking judgment, fear, guilt, hierarchies, comparison, competition, contention, and control. Michael's net worth hovers over $100,000 - $249,999 with a yearly income that's about $200 - 249,999. Follow to get new release updates, special offers (including promotional offers) and improved recommendations. Actor Michael B. Jordan takes over as Alexa by Amazon in this Super Bowl LV commercial. If they testify to the reality of the spiritual world and that the gifts of the spirit may be enjoyed in this life they get the modern equivalent of being burned at the Stake. It also hinders our ability to love. Such are the fruits of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and as such, will ensure that we remain separated from Him and from each other. The items in the verse refer to tools, the line is a snap line to get things straight. What would you people say to someone who, years ago, received very specific revelation on how to cure a vaccine injured child (think "Alma Smith" type revelation - if you don't know the Alma Smith story, look it up)? William Tompkins - Apollo Program - Interactions with Human ETs, Military Personel Address National Press Club Regarding UFO's Interacting With Our Nuclear Weapons, Robert O. Incidentally, no alternative under the definition of apostacy [a]s used here, i.e. I testify that Christ has not judged ANYONE involved, nor will he. Related To Shirley Rush. God forgive you for what youve done. There are tens of thousands of us all across the conservative movement. And thus again the hypocrisy. The part that really caught my attention was this Rush is the author of A Remnant Shall Return, Daniel 11, and Revelation the Vision of John the Divine. 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Hamula", "Kelly laments her 'painful' excommunication from Mormon church", "Mormons Oust First Indian in the Hierarchy", "Roz Chalmers, Merlin Holland, David Charles Manners, David Waterman, Midweek - BBC Radio 4", "Skyjackerthe Richard McCoy Jr. Story - Part 2", "Controversial Mormon writer gets the word: He's out of the church", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_former_or_dissident_Mormons&oldid=1140233272, This page was last edited on 19 February 2023, at 03:06. Also known as Micheal Rush. Im a big fan of moderation and pluralism, but I continue to see a lot of talk about what the Church obviously should do. As far as the gospel is concerned, were not supposed to be afraid of anything including deception. . Hardening rural white listeners and weaponizing white male grievance. Yes, he said almost. God showed up to her and told her to leave him and now she is part of some cult in southern Utah. It was inappropriate to teach that people should seek to receive priesthood ordinations outside of the ordained channels found within the Church, and that priesthood healings and ordinances should be practiced using a prescribed format and that they can be performed over the phone. | Jan 1, 2002. Mike Stroud set himself up as a light about the Prophet of God and convinced people that it would be through his Podcasts that THE REMENT would be awakened and they were the ones chosen to prepare the way for the second coming of the Lord. Gifts come to me by the giver of a gift. Wish us luck. Correlation was a progressive change but may now be viewed as conservative. I first wrote about Mike Stroud in September 2017, several months after I'd been introduced to his podcasts by a wardmember. I would like to invite all who have served missions in Spanish-speaking or Portuguese-speaking countries, if you can, to refer these podcast lessons to those men and women that you worked with in the mission field and put them in touch with the Spanish translation of these Book of Mormon lessons and well soon have the first lessons in Portuguese. (Podcast 012: 1 Nephi 12, abt 20:19), The reason I suspect this was an issue is that in Strouds podcast where he announces his excommunication, he notes that he is only continuing the series at the encouragement of his children. or obey a temporary local leader? View all posts by Mary Ann. Christ prayed in John 17 His great intercessory prayer that we might all be one with Him as He is with the Father. Michael B Rush, 64. Symphony Health Acquisition, Marriner Eccles. I have heard a number of accounts of people claiming to have received a personal audience with the Savior, and after some were instructed by Him to share certain things about their experience, Church leaders told them to be quiet. Have you read A Course in Miracles? But to be clear on this, fear is never used by the Holy Ghost to teach. who have extraordinary experiences with God.. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. This is a feeling of lightness and euphoria, begins in the chest hard area, and slowly expands outward, is subtle yet very noticeable, it almost feels as if youre being drawn upward and out of your body, it radiates outward in a swelling motion and is very desirable. . Brother Stroud views the Book of Mormon as a road map to achieving a Second Comforter experience. Fear of being deceived effectively stops you. Guys if this religion can not connect us in this life with the divine. . While studying at BYU, Michael met and married his wife Amy - a beautiful Kansas girl. Persist in teaching as Church doctrine information that is not Church doctrine after they have been corrected by their bishop or a higher authority. It is only by the Spirit that I know that The Church of Jesus Christ or Latter-Day Saints is a true church or that Joseph Smith was a true Prophet or that The Book of Mormon is true or that Jesus is the Christ and His Atonement is real. Based on the hundreds of private messages the Mike Stroud Podcast exposed page received from people who were seriously harmed by Mike Strouds misguided ideas of seeking to commune with spirits at 3am I can assure that the fruits of this idea were anything but positive. There are a number of other attempts to emphasize certain doctrines that are more conservative than not. Michael Rush in Michigan 59 people named Michael Rush found in Detroit-Ann Arbor-Flint, Grand Rapids-Muskegon-Holland and 5 other cities. 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